[PEDA] Protel99SE SP6 - board doesn't match schematic, no DRC errors

Thu May 28 12:46:24 CDT 2009

Hi Robert,

$2000USD was from a sales memo for an upgrade to 
W09 two months ago, the price for a full new seat 
is $3995USD as posted on the Altium web site today:
  ( 
http://www.altium.com/products/altium-designer/en/altium-designer_home.cfm ).

Take a look at the Altium web site, and then ask 
your sales office why their quote isn't honoring 
the price posted on the web  $3995US = £2505.80.

Regards - Harry

At 10:18 AM 5/28/2009, you wrote:
>Hi,
>I contacted the UK distributor and they wouldn't move below £3000 + taxes
>(£2995.00 to be precise). The offer to trade in the 99SE license made no
>difference.
>I saw someone had posted a note that Winter-09 issue is available in the
>States for approx $2000.
>
>Quote -
>" Hi Stephan,
>IMHO, you should consider upgrading to the newest version of Altium
>Designer, Winter 09. Altium is offering an unbelievably low price for
>upgrade through the end of June. Here in the states it's $2000 for ANY old
>license to the latest.
>
>Mario Irigoyen
>"
>
>  Mario, can this be true? This is a huge difference, $2000 is about £1,250
>or less than half what the UK office is asking. I would upgrade yesterday if
>this were available. Any advice?
>
>Rob G
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mario Irigoyen [mailto:mirigoyen1 at comcast.net]
>Sent: 28 May 2009 13:41
>To: 'Protel EDA Discussion List'
>Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel99SE SP6 - board doesn't match schematic, no DRC
>errors
>
>Hello fellow Protel users,
>
>I don't see all that much traffic from the group, except with a
>complaint or a problem. Because of this I can conclude that there aren't
>that many 99SE users or they aren't having sufficient problems that
>elicit writing to the group.
>
>Ladies and gentlemen, 99SE is 10 YEARS OLD. It had its share of
>problems.
>
>Altium has spent the last 10 years improving, re-engineering, rewriting
>... Protel into Altium Designer. It (AD) is by no means perfect but is
>vastly improved compared to 99SE.
>
>And, Altium is running an upgrade special.
>
>If you have not seen the latest Altium Designer, do yourself (and your
>company) a favor and take a good, close look.
>
>I am an independent provider of Altium Designer services, design,
>training ...
>Please contact me if you need anything in that regard.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Mario Irigoyen
>MI Design & Services
>630-759-4960
>MIDesign at comcast.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: peda-bounces at techservinc.com [mailto:peda-bounces at techservinc.com]
>On Behalf Of Robert Gillatt
>Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:26 AM
>To: 'Protel EDA Discussion List'
>Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel99SE SP6 - board doesn't match schematic,no
>DRC errors
>
>Been there, got the T-shirt. Protel is notorious for such
>idiosyncracies. If
>you get a pad mapping wrong and miss it in the library check, the
>autorouter
>will start to lay a track and leave it unconnected in the middle of the
>board, no warnings either.
>The moral is check and recheck the Gerbers, which is a good idea
>whatever
>tools you are using.
>
>Cheers
>Rob
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Leonard Gabrielson [mailto:leonard_gabrielson at yahoo.com]
>Sent: 27 May 2009 17:55
>To: Protel EDA Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel99SE SP6 - board doesn't match schematic,no
>DRC
>errors
>
>Yeah,
>Great.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steven J. Ackerman" <sjackerman at comcast.net>
>To: <peda at techservinc.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:20 AM
>Subject: [PEDA] Protel99SE SP6 - board doesn't match schematic, no DRC
>errors
>
>
> > Just a heads-up - although this is probably old news to list members.
> >
> > We've used Protel Schematic v3.4 and Protel PCB v2.8 to design several
>
> > hundred boards - mainly double-sided, mixed SMT and through-hole, some
>
> > with hundreds of parts, all sizes - no problems.
> >
> > I did our second 4-layer PCB with Protel99SE SP6. Just received the
> > prototypes back. When building the first board by hand, two components
>
> > were on the schematic, but not on the PCB. Bringing up the board in
> > Protel and jumping to the component by name, the missing components
> > were off the board, and off the screen - perhaps with a negative Y
> > coordinate. No ratsnest wires, the router indicated that the board was
>
> > 100% routed, no DRC errors - sweet.
> >
> > Did a select outside the board area, move selection, and surprise -
> > the missing two components moved into the visible area - ratsnest
> > wires appeared and now the board is no longer 100% routed - it's magic
>
> > !
> >
> > I don't know how the two components got 'placed' off of the viewable
> > screen, or why a zoom all didn't show them, or why the autorouter all
> > didn't complain, or why the DRC passed...
> >
> > I no longer trust Protel99SE to produce a board that matches the
> > schematic.
> >
> > I'm glad that these are prototypes, and I can tack these two missing
> > components on by hand.
> >
> > Great feature !
> >
> > Steven J. Ackerman, Consultant
> > ACS, Sarasota, FL
> > Web:  http://www.acscontrol.com
> > Blog: http://sjackerman.spaces.live.com/
> > Work: steve at acscontrol.com
> > Home: sjackerman at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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