[PEDA] Protel99SE SP6 - board doesn't match schematic, no DRC errors

[Robert Gillatt]

Hi,
I contacted the UK distributor and they wouldn't move below £3000 + taxes
(£2995.00 to be precise). The offer to trade in the 99SE license made no
difference.  
I saw someone had posted a note that Winter-09 issue is available in the
States for approx $2000.

Quote - 
" Hi Stephan,
IMHO, you should consider upgrading to the newest version of Altium
Designer, Winter 09. Altium is offering an unbelievably low price for
upgrade through the end of June. Here in the states it's $2000 for ANY old
license to the latest. 

Mario Irigoyen
"

 Mario, can this be true? This is a huge difference, $2000 is about £1,250
or less than half what the UK office is asking. I would upgrade yesterday if
this were available. Any advice?

Rob G



-----Original Message-----
From: Mario Irigoyen [mailto:mirigoyen1 at comcast.net] 
Sent: 28 May 2009 13:41
To: 'Protel EDA Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel99SE SP6 - board doesn't match schematic, no DRC
errors

Hello fellow Protel users,

I don't see all that much traffic from the group, except with a
complaint or a problem. Because of this I can conclude that there aren't
that many 99SE users or they aren't having sufficient problems that
elicit writing to the group. 

Ladies and gentlemen, 99SE is 10 YEARS OLD. It had its share of
problems. 

Altium has spent the last 10 years improving, re-engineering, rewriting
... Protel into Altium Designer. It (AD) is by no means perfect but is
vastly improved compared to 99SE. 

And, Altium is running an upgrade special.

If you have not seen the latest Altium Designer, do yourself (and your
company) a favor and take a good, close look. 

I am an independent provider of Altium Designer services, design,
training ... 
Please contact me if you need anything in that regard.

Best regards,
 
Mario Irigoyen
MI Design & Services
630-759-4960
MIDesign at comcast.net
 
-----Original Message-----
From: peda-bounces at techservinc.com [mailto:peda-bounces at techservinc.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Gillatt
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:26 AM
To: 'Protel EDA Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel99SE SP6 - board doesn't match schematic,no
DRC errors

Been there, got the T-shirt. Protel is notorious for such
idiosyncracies. If
you get a pad mapping wrong and miss it in the library check, the
autorouter
will start to lay a track and leave it unconnected in the middle of the
board, no warnings either. 
The moral is check and recheck the Gerbers, which is a good idea
whatever
tools you are using.

Cheers
Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard Gabrielson [mailto:leonard_gabrielson at yahoo.com] 
Sent: 27 May 2009 17:55
To: Protel EDA Discussion List
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel99SE SP6 - board doesn't match schematic,no
DRC
errors

Yeah,
Great.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven J. Ackerman" <sjackerman at comcast.net>
To: <peda at techservinc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:20 AM
Subject: [PEDA] Protel99SE SP6 - board doesn't match schematic, no DRC
errors


> Just a heads-up - although this is probably old news to list members.
>
> We've used Protel Schematic v3.4 and Protel PCB v2.8 to design several

> hundred boards - mainly double-sided, mixed SMT and through-hole, some

> with hundreds of parts, all sizes - no problems.
>
> I did our second 4-layer PCB with Protel99SE SP6. Just received the 
> prototypes back. When building the first board by hand, two components

> were on the schematic, but not on the PCB. Bringing up the board in 
> Protel and jumping to the component by name, the missing components 
> were off the board, and off the screen - perhaps with a negative Y 
> coordinate. No ratsnest wires, the router indicated that the board was

> 100% routed, no DRC errors - sweet.
>
> Did a select outside the board area, move selection, and surprise - 
> the missing two components moved into the visible area - ratsnest 
> wires appeared and now the board is no longer 100% routed - it's magic

> !
>
> I don't know how the two components got 'placed' off of the viewable 
> screen, or why a zoom all didn't show them, or why the autorouter all 
> didn't complain, or why the DRC passed...
>
> I no longer trust Protel99SE to produce a board that matches the 
> schematic.
>
> I'm glad that these are prototypes, and I can tack these two missing 
> components on by hand.
>
> Great feature !
>
> Steven J. Ackerman, Consultant
> ACS, Sarasota, FL
> Web:  http://www.acscontrol.com
> Blog: http://sjackerman.spaces.live.com/
> Work: steve at acscontrol.com
> Home: sjackerman at comcast.net
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